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Monday Morning Musings #2

Alright.  I have been mulling something over for awhile now and thought I would ask you, dear reader, to elucidate.

Here is today’s question:

Is one’s relationship with the Father based purely on Love, Performance, or both?

This question was prompted after a sermon that my pastor gave on this topic.  My comments here are not a reflection on his sermon or the content of the sermon (just for the record, he did a great job).

So here are some of my thoughts on the subject.  I believe that God the Father loves us more abundantly than we could ever  understand as displayed by the sacrifice of Christ the Son (John 3:16).  I don’t believe His love for us is diminished in any capacity by our performance (the things that we do or don’t do) but how does He ‘respond’ to our actions and what does that reaction have to say about the state of relationship?

Some things that come to my mind on this subject are:

  • Moses not being allowed to enter Canaan
  • David not being allowed to build the temple
  • Ananias and Sapphira being struck dead
  • John falling as if dead in his Revelation before Christ in Glory (I know this is a weird but I see that as a response of fear-why?)
  • Passages in Matthew about the sheep and goats
  • Christ’s messages to the church from Revelation

Feel free to discuss openly.  I am not looking for the one ‘right’ answer but a dialog concerning our relationship to the Father and how that is reflected in scripture.

  1. October 18, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Jumping in…

    All of your examples don’t determine acceptance or status of relationship. In others words they have no bearing on whether you are in or out of the kingdom. (except for the sheep and goats…but that is another issue)

    Performance does determine blessing, responsibility, opportunity, and reward. So performance matters but our view of the blessing, etc won’t be perfectly seen until heaven. A multimillionaire’s giving will be on equal footing with the widow’s mite at that point.

    It’s like with my kids. They are loved. But their performance determines a growing level of trust, responsibility, opportunity, and reward.

    • October 18, 2011 at 1:07 am

      Awesome points, Chris… the relationship is still intact but there is a question of blessing… and possibly discipline?

      Notice the opening I am giving you to expand on those two sides of the spectrum? 🙂

      • October 18, 2011 at 2:19 am

        Jumping in that opening:


        1. Greater intimacy with Christ comes from Spirit-inspired obedience. (John 15). Has to be Spirit-inspired. Legalistically inspired is for Pharisees. Motivation is key.
        2. Deeper experience of the fruits of the Spirit.
        3. Great capacity to enjoy heaven. (Parables of Jesus…stewardship brings blessing at the final culmination)

        And discipline…

        1. Conviction of the Holy Spirit. Which is a temporal loss of joy.
        2. Growth stops. You can’t grow past a lack of obedience. This is explicit in Hebrews but implicit in biblical stories where if the person hadn’t obeyed they would’ve missed out. This is a passive discipline. Also there is room for active discipline (Hebrews). Doors are closed. Not that all closed doors are discipline. I do believe God will use the least amount of discipline necessary to help us correct.
        3. Diminished capacity for enjoying heaven. (The parables have 3 classes of people: the rewarded, the weepers and gnashers of teeth, and those with a diminished reward)

        I would want to research the discipline point of number 3 as that is based on recollection not fresh readings.

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